Magic to Change Your Life: Astrology, Tarot, and the Will to Transform | The Seven, Episode 22

In Episode 22 of The Seven: Living with the Planets, Lucy Baldwin speaks with Brittany Pastuhov about magic, astrology, tarot, vocation, planetary practice, synchronicity, and what it means to intentionally participate in the shaping of your life.

Brittany is a tarot reader, astrologer, intuitive practitioner, and astro-empowerment coach whose work blends chart interpretation, spiritual practice, vocation, and self-trust.

Together, Lucy and Brittany explore a central magical question:

What does magic actually do?

One answer is beautifully simple:

Magic helps us direct will toward change.

Not by bypassing life.

Not by escaping the body.

Not by pretending everything is already solved.

But by entering relationship with symbols, planets, spirits, archetypes, intuition, and the mysterious intelligence of reality itself.

Watch or listen to Episode 22 of The Seven here:

Key Takeaways

In this episode, Lucy and Brittany explore:

• magic as an act of will that creates change

• astrology as a tool for vocation, self-knowledge, and transformation

• tarot as a living symbolic language

• planetary magic as a way to work with real life goals

• why spiritual work should help you live more fully, not escape life

• the relationship between goals, devotion, and flexibility

• Venus, Saturn, and the challenge of receiving

• Saturn themes around mortality, time, and structure

• plant spirits, correspondences, and working with physical materials

• house-buying magic, Jupiter synchronicities, and real-world manifestation

• entrepreneurship, surrender, perfectionism, and letting yourself be seen

• tarot decks as distinct magical personalities and tools

Magic as the Will to Create Change

Brittany defines magic as an act of will directed into life.

That definition is simple, but it opens a lot.

Magic is not only something done at an altar.

It is not only candles, herbs, tarot cards, planets, sigils, or ritual words.

Those are all ways magic can move.

But underneath them is will.

The desire to change something.

The willingness to participate.

The decision to work with reality instead of only being acted upon by it.

This is why magic can be so empowering. It gives you a way to stop waiting for life to happen and begin consciously shaping your relationship with it.

Astrology as a Compass for Vocation

One of the strongest themes in this conversation is vocation.

Not career in the shallow sense.

Not job title.

Not résumé identity.

Vocation as the deeper pull toward what feels authentic, alive, meaningful, and spiritually true.

Astrology can help with that because the birth chart gives language to patterns that may otherwise feel confusing.

What kind of work calls to you?

What kind of contribution feels alive?

Where are you being asked to grow?

What part of you wants to move beyond the “safe” choice and into something more honest?

The chart does not make the decision for you.

It gives you a map.

Then the work is to live.

Astrology Is Not Just Information

A good reading can be illuminating.

But information alone does not necessarily change your life.

The real question is:

What do you do with what you see?

That is where magic enters.

If astrology shows a pattern, planetary magic can help you work with it.

If the chart reveals a challenge around visibility, you might work with the Sun.

If it reveals structure, discipline, or fear of time, you might work with Saturn.

If it reveals issues around love, beauty, receiving, and pleasure, you might work with Venus.

Astrology names the pattern.

Magic helps you participate in the transformation.

Planetary Magic and Real Life Goals

One of the beautiful things about planetary magic is that it can be used for ordinary life.

Not because ordinary life is separate from the sacred.

Because ordinary life is where the sacred becomes visible.

You can work with planetary magic for:

a job search

a home

a creative project

a relationship

a health practice

a career transition

a business

a difficult conversation

a new identity

a deeper sense of purpose

Magic does not have to be abstract.

It can be woven directly into the practical thresholds of your life.

Goals Without Self-Punishment

The conversation also touches a subtle problem many spiritually oriented people have with goals.

Some people love goals.

They need direction.

They like having something to move toward.

Other people feel trapped by goals.

Goals become traumatic because they create shame, failure, pressure, rigidity, or the sense of never being enough.

A more magical relationship with goals is possible.

A goal can become a beacon.

A lighthouse.

A direction you are moving toward.

Not a weapon.

Not a punishment.

Not a test of worth.

Planetary magic can help here because different planets offer different ways of relating to change.

Mars moves forward.

Saturn structures.

Venus receives.

Mercury adapts.

Jupiter expands.

The Moon cycles.

The Sun radiates.

There is no single correct way to grow.

Venus, Saturn, and the Challenge of Receiving

Lucy and Brittany also explore the tension between work, structure, ambition, and receiving.

For people who are driven, martial, or work-oriented, Venus can feel surprisingly hard.

Venus asks for pleasure.

Receiving.

Beauty.

Relaxation.

Attraction.

Trust.

Saturn asks for structure, time, commitment, reality, and form.

But Saturn does not have to be rigid. A healthy Saturn structure can be flexible. It can serve the truth of the moment instead of simply restricting life.

This is a powerful combination:

Saturn creates the container.

Venus softens the body enough to receive.

Together, they help build a life that is both held and alive.

Saturn and Mortality

Saturn also brings us into deeper themes.

Time.

Aging.

Mortality.

Limits.

Death.

Commitment.

The body.

Reality.

These can be frightening themes, but they are not separate from magic.

Saturn reminds us that life is finite.

That choices matter.

That incarnation matters.

That time gives shape to meaning.

Even questions about reincarnation, eternity, and death are Saturnian because they confront us with the structure of existence.

Magic is not only about getting what you want.

Sometimes it is about meeting the truth of being alive.

Magic and the Mystery of Reality

Lucy shares that her own sense of magic was shaped through years of intense spiritual experience and a direct confrontation with mystery.

Magic becomes obvious when reality stops feeling flat.

When you sense that consciousness is powerful.

That symbols speak.

That synchronicities matter.

That the world is more alive than ordinary thinking can explain.

This does not mean abandoning discernment.

It means admitting that reality is stranger than the rational mind prefers.

Magic begins when you stop pretending the world is dead.

Plant Spirits and Physical Materials

One of the most grounded parts of the conversation is about working with plants, herbs, and physical objects.

Magical materials are not just props.

Rosemary is not only “an herb that corresponds to memory or protection.”

It is rosemary.

It has a spirit.

A presence.

A history.

A living or once-living reality.

When you work with dried herbs, plants, cards, candles, soil, stones, or other materials, you are not only moving symbols around.

You are entering relationship with matter.

That relationship can be simple.

Wake the plant up.

Speak to it.

Tell it what you are asking for.

Thank it.

Magic becomes much more alive when the physical world is treated as alive.

House-Buying Magic and Jupiter Synchronicity

The episode also includes beautiful stories of house-buying magic.

These stories matter because a home is not a small thing.

Where you live shapes your body, your family, your work, your rituals, your nervous system, and your future.

Jupiter is often involved in these kinds of magical openings because Jupiter rules expansion, blessing, protection, opportunity, and the ability to receive something bigger.

But the magic is not only the outcome.

It is also the synchronicity around the outcome.

The strange sign.

The unlikely opening.

The symbolic animal.

The conversation that should not have happened but did.

The sudden path through an impossible market.

Magic often feels obvious in the moment because the synchronicities are alive.

Explaining them later can sound underwhelming.

But when you are inside the field, you know.

Surrender and Risk

Magic often asks for surrender.

Not passive collapse.

Not carelessness.

But the willingness to step into a life where you do not control every variable.

This is especially true in entrepreneurship, vocation, creativity, and spiritual work.

If you want a life that is more magical, more self-directed, more authentic, and more alive, you may have to risk.

You may have to let yourself be seen before the work feels perfect.

You may have to trust that the path will appear as you walk it.

You may have to make decisions that require faith.

That does not mean ignoring reality.

It means recognizing that certainty is not always available before the threshold.

Perfectionism as Hiding

One of the most relatable themes in the conversation is perfectionism.

The project is almost ready.

The website is almost ready.

The offering is almost ready.

The writing is almost ready.

The ritual is almost ready.

And then suddenly, it needs to be redone.

Perfectionism can look like devotion to excellence.

Sometimes it is.

But often, perfectionism is hiding.

A way to avoid being seen.

A way to avoid the vulnerability of releasing something into the world.

A way to stay close to the finish line without crossing it.

Magic requires release.

At some point, the spell has to leave your hands.

Tarot as a Living Tool

The conversation closes with tarot and tarot decks, and this section has its own quiet magic.

A deck is not just a deck.

Different decks can have different personalities, functions, moods, and uses.

Some decks may feel better for clients.

Some for creativity.

Some for a particular deity.

Some for personal work.

Some may not want to be overused.

This may sound strange to someone who thinks of tarot only as paper and images.

But in magical practice, tools become relational.

You build history with them.

You learn how they speak.

You discover what kind of questions they answer well.

The more you practice, the more the tool becomes alive.

Magic Is Lived Relationship

This episode is ultimately about magic as relationship.

Relationship with planets.

With charts.

With cards.

With herbs.

With homes.

With risk.

With the body.

With vocation.

With synchronicity.

With the mysterious intelligence of reality.

Magic is not only something you do to the world.

It is something you do with the world.

And when that relationship deepens, life becomes more responsive, more symbolic, more demanding, and more alive.

• Full transcript for Episode 22 of The Seven: Living with the Planets

  Lucy Baldwin (00:01.589)

  Hello, hello, welcome to today's episode. I am Lucy Baldwin and I have with me Brittany Pastuhaf. Am I pronouncing that properly?

  Brittany Pastuhov (00:10.114)

  Pass do have, yes.

  Lucy Baldwin (00:11.701)

  Perfect. I did amazing. And we're doing something a little different today because we're recording this episode and we're going to put it on both of our podcasts. So this is a double podcast episode. And so, yeah, for my listeners, you will be introduced to Brittany and for Brittany's listeners, I will be introduced to you. And so we're going to start off by each sharing a little bit about kind of our story and what we do. And I'm excited to hear about Brittany's story and who she is and what she does. So tell me, tell me.

  Brittany Pastuhov (00:13.699)

  Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (00:41.817)

  Okay, so hi everyone. I am a tarot and astrology reader. been an astrologer since professionally since 2016. And I've been reading tarot since I was a teenager, but started reading cards for clients professionally later.

  And I also am a coach. I'm an astro empowerment coach. So while I love to read charts and cards for clients, I also really love to go deep into the natal chart and coach people who want to take their career to the next level, who have a vocation of the heart or spirit that they're following, whether or not their day job fits that. Often they're in the midst of a transitioning career to get to something more authentic, someone who

  is like maybe they went to law school or they're in banking because it was a safe choice, but now they're feeling the pull toward entrepreneurship or something that's like more touchy feely or like teaching or psychology that doesn't necessarily make as much money but feels more fulfilling. Like that's where I love to work is like in that transition space and we work with the chart. One doing planetary magic to enhance something like a resume, job search.

  but also looking deep within oneself to what is authentic and what is the vision now, and using the chart as kind of a guide or compass toward that vision of vocation. So that's where the sweet spot is for me between astrology and coaching, where I really love to work with vocational astrology.

  Lucy Baldwin (02:15.037)

  that. I love that because it's kind of like the full package, right? You're like giving the astrology reading and then you're like, and here's what we can do with it.

  Brittany Pastuhov (02:18.446)

  Mm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (02:22.466)

  But here's how we can actually work with it and not just like receive information, you know, and look up a horoscope.

  Lucy Baldwin (02:28.743)

  Exactly, exactly. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, so I am a, what am I? I mean, I'm a magician, I guess. I teach magic and shadow work, shadow alchemy. And my latest obsession has actually been hypnosis. And I've done like training and stuff around hypnosis in the past, but I've been doing kind of a deep dive getting back into that lately.

  Brittany Pastuhov (02:40.3)

  Yeah, okay. Love it.

  Lucy Baldwin (02:58.451)

  incorporating that more into what I'm offering because so much of the work that I do is about working with the unconscious and interrupting those patterns and setting ourselves up to be able to step into new realities, like carry ourselves into new realities and create the lives that we want.

  by changing our identities, changing our beliefs, updating the stories that we're telling about ourselves, both consciously and unconsciously. And so that's really what my work is about. It's really like, I'm really just always nerding out on the spiritual transformational journey. And yeah, sometimes that's people in kind of like trying to build a business. I have worked with people in that realm, but a lot of it is people who are just kind of like on their spiritual development path and they've kind of...

  Brittany Pastuhov (03:32.846)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (03:50.018)

  No.

  Lucy Baldwin (03:57.001)

  A lot of people who were in the New Age spirituality world and then got stuck in realizing, this isn't addressing some of the, it's not holistic enough and wanting a more holistic approach, which is part of why I love the planet so much, because it is a holistic system.

  Brittany Pastuhov (04:16.268)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (04:20.621)

  Mm-hmm.

  Lucy Baldwin (04:20.948)

  The shadow is... So obviously, I kind of treat shadow work separately from like planetary magic, but it's all so integrated and necessary because... And the shadow work is kind of naturally embedded in this planetary system because the planets each have their shadow side, right? And so we can look at it through the lens of the planets. And yeah, that's I'm about. That's what I'm doing.

  Brittany Pastuhov (04:42.413)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (04:46.99)

  That's awesome. I love that. Yeah, I love how also how you can, how you talked about because I was interested in how like you talk about coach coaching on existential kink, which I have that book by Caroline, what is her last name? She is Caroline Elliott. She's amazing. And I love that approach to shadow work. Like what is the central question as far as I understand it, and you're more of an expert is like what

  Lucy Baldwin (05:00.702)

  Carolyn.

  Brittany Pastuhov (05:13.152)

  is serving me about this. If I have like a lack of money or like I'm always feeling broke, like what is benefiting me from that brokenness that I'm actually getting kind of a little high from that I'm getting a little pleasure out of and what am I afraid of? The idea of wealth, right? And so she really unlocks this whole pattern of like, if there's a pattern in your life that you keep repeating, there could be something a little kinky about it. There could be something you're actually kind of enjoying, even though you feel like it's unlucky or that it keeps happening to you in a bad way.

  yeah, I think that's so interesting and so fruitful in terms of transformation.

  Lucy Baldwin (05:44.765)

  Yeah.

  Lucy Baldwin (05:49.095)

  Yeah, and when you dive into the world of EK, which I have spent the last maybe like seven years or so in, what you'll find is that sometimes that thing that you're getting is completely unconscious. It's a completely unconscious kink. So there won't necessarily be a rational explanation for it. It's like you're comfortable in this kind of discomfort or you have, yeah, there's some sort

  Brittany Pastuhov (05:53.838)

  Okay.

  Brittany Pastuhov (06:03.576)

  Mm-hmm.

  Totally.

  Brittany Pastuhov (06:12.952)

  Right.

  Brittany Pastuhov (06:16.515)

  Mm-hmm.

  Lucy Baldwin (06:18.676)

  part of your unconscious self that is, yeah, that is kinky and that is getting off on it. And so it's about, yeah, and the practice of EK is about just allowing yourself to experience that, allowing yourself to sort of embody the part that is getting off on it and feel the turn on so that you can release it and let the pattern go. Yeah, it's a really powerful practice.

  Brittany Pastuhov (06:45.206)

  Yeah, how do you find, and I know that planetary magic and EK are separate modalities that you may work with at different times. How do you find that when a client is doing planetary magic and also doing some EK in other sessions, how those might correspond to each other or collaborate in some way? Have you ever noticed some sync between them?

  Lucy Baldwin (07:10.714)

  Yes and no. mean, so Carolyn, like me, teaches both magic and EK and I feel like she really kind of...

  To me, they're actually very different. So to me, they're very different processes. Like to me, EK is very much like shadow work and it is magical. It does feel magical, but I see it as like a psychological, spiritual sort of like practice. Whereas magic to me, where you're kind of, I think of it as a Solvay where you're unraveling things, right? You're like loosening.

  Brittany Pastuhov (07:29.582)

  Mm-hmm.

  Lucy Baldwin (07:49.663)

  those kinky attachments, you're loosening the pattern, you're releasing the pattern. Whereas the planetary magic I think of as, I mean, it can be Solvay or co-ed, it can be both like loosening and bringing together. But it's more like you're working with an archetype and it's sort of a different way of communicating with the unconscious. It's more like directed. With EK, we're kind of opening and we're like allowing ourselves to

  Brittany Pastuhov (07:54.018)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (08:14.946)

  Mm-hmm.

  Lucy Baldwin (08:19.294)

  feel what's present. And with the magic, feel like it's more, it doesn't necessarily have to be goal oriented, but there is kind of this like directed arrow, you know, we're using the where we're pointing towards something and we kind of have an intention. And yeah, EK is really about like, kind of opening, surrendering, releasing judgment, releasing attachment, releasing shame so that you can feel.

  Brittany Pastuhov (08:21.566)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (08:31.224)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (08:34.796)

  Mm-hmm. Sure.

  Brittany Pastuhov (08:48.746)

  Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, magic usually is, you know, there's some kind of intention or goal for it in order for it to work. And it's best I think when it has there's some strategy behind it too, that we're not just randomly kind of doing a spell here and there for love, but that we like kind of really know what we're looking for. And there's action in the real world too. But I also find that when I do planetary magic that there's there are insights that come up or people that I meet or like I get directed into a certain

  flow where now I understand, this is what I need to be doing. For example, I've been working a lot with Mars and as my Mars perfection year, I just like posted a reel about how it's going, because I'm like tripled my iron supplements and started lifting weights, know, like very like classic Mars things. But like in trying to work with Mars, which hasn't always been like the easiest planet for me, I find that I am kind of getting directed to these insights about what I need right now.

  and what's going to work best for me or the best way to approach something. And that can feed into what's subconsciously making me not want to work out or whatever it is. Yeah, so that's how I find they kind of feed into each other is that it's not that I intended to create a link, but that the planet will start to open things up for me for me to explore.

  Lucy Baldwin (09:49.95)

  Yes.

  Lucy Baldwin (10:11.902)

  Yeah, yeah, like showing you where you need to shine the microscope and yeah, I mean, it's all connected because it's all working with our psyche. And I'm actually I'm actually really curious. So I'm curious because I kind of you know, I spent a lot of time on this podcast talking about like what magic is and kind of what I think magic is. And I'd be really curious to hear sort of what you how you sort of define or understand magic, like what it is to you.

  Brittany Pastuhov (10:16.277)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (10:21.132)

  We'll it.

  Brittany Pastuhov (10:32.77)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (10:41.942)

  Mm, that's such a good question that I wasn't expecting. Let me think about it. no, that's all right. I, I use the term witch to describe myself. So I say that I'm a witch and that my work is for the ambitious witches and who, you know, want to direct and create change and really have a more extraordinary life. So I think that magic is the act of will on our environment and life. The it's an act of will on

  Lucy Baldwin (10:44.998)

  Sorry, that's too much.

  Brittany Pastuhov (11:11.628)

  wherever we are projecting it and then we all have magic within us. It is this kind of force of will that we have. That's how I think of it. Not just us, but any spirit has agency and will as well. So we can sometimes partner with or ask, for example, planetary spirits to help us. And that can create a kind of teamwork that magnifies our will in a way. But I think we're all very powerful with this force within us that actually can

  on things and change things.

  Lucy Baldwin (11:43.414)

  I love that. I love that so much. Yeah, I feel like, well, part of reason I asked it, because I feel like I've been a little stuck in how I've been defining magic because I over rationalize things and I have, I've been noticing like, Lucy, you have this kind of need to like rationalize even magic. And I think that I can rationalize it quite well.

  Brittany Pastuhov (11:55.149)

  Mm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (11:58.541)

  Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (12:04.781)

  Mm.

  Lucy Baldwin (12:06.709)

  And I'm just like, what if I just surrender to the truth of like how mysterious and actually magical magic is. And so what you've just described, I think is really beautiful. And it's it kind of rhymes with something that I've been leaning into because I was speaking with a friend recently who was talking, she kept bringing up this idea of fate and all these like moments in her life. And she was pointing to the other people's stories and the moments in their lives where it sort of felt like

  Brittany Pastuhov (12:08.429)

  next.

  Brittany Pastuhov (12:14.166)

  Hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (12:30.222)

  and

  Lucy Baldwin (12:36.755)

  It was this moment of fate where you move this person or this thing doesn't work out in this really kind of you feel that weight in that moment. And it's like, this was fate. And so, yeah, I've been thinking of magic as maybe what you're saying, incorporating our will into our fate.

  Brittany Pastuhov (12:39.661)

  Mm.

  Lucy Baldwin (13:03.389)

  almost like tinkering with our fate in a way.

  Brittany Pastuhov (13:03.491)

  Mmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (13:07.532)

  Right. And sometimes literally working with the threat of fate or yeah, like, because I think the chart in a way is a kind of it's, I don't think it's determined predetermined fate, but it is kind of a, like a picture of fate in some ways that you can actually choose which level you're going to play on, right? Like which version of this story do you want to be told?

  Lucy Baldwin (13:33.109)

  Mm, I love that. Yeah. Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (13:36.234)

  Yeah, so, and some people say magic is science that hasn't been explained yet by science. So I mean, there could be a rational explanation for why we are able to affect will in the world with our words and our magical materia.

  Lucy Baldwin (13:53.78)

  Yeah, I kind of like teeter because I do feel like part of the human experience is to like surrender to the mystery, know, surrender to and I feel like with science, it's like we think we can transcend that. And I think it is very confusing because when you actually break it down, like science doesn't really answer any of the big questions at all.

  Brittany Pastuhov (14:06.638)

  Mmm.

  Lucy Baldwin (14:22.165)

  You have to have that like the philosophy asks the questions and even philosophy doesn't really answer them and that is the foundation for all of science. And so science is sort of like this sandcastle that's just floating. It has no grounding in my opinion.

  Brittany Pastuhov (14:27.21)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (14:39.596)

  Right.

  Brittany Pastuhov (14:43.712)

  Yeah, I think it's interesting, like science is this, this curious process of understanding how it works, you know, it doesn't necessarily answer why it works, or, and often doesn't still hasn't answered how it works, right? But that's like what we're trying to instead, sometimes we just name things. Yeah, so yeah, magic gets at this other level of it for me, where I feel more empowered to take my fate into my own hands and and actually work my chart.

  Lucy Baldwin (15:00.426)

  Yeah.

  Lucy Baldwin (15:13.469)

  Yeah. Yeah, I'm curious too. So I've been like, I'm curious because you say that you work, you said that you work with people mostly like who are trying to kind of like start chain shift careers into something more sort of soulful and aligned for them. And I'm curious about like, goal orientation, because I see a lot about I feel like sometimes like

  Brittany Pastuhov (15:29.389)

  Yeah.

  Lucy Baldwin (15:37.737)

  really spiritual purist people are sort of like, I've noticed can be really sort of like anti goals. And then I do feel like kind of on the other end of the spectrum, there's people who are like, super sort of goal obsessed. And I'm curious, like where you are on that spectrum and how you kind of like balance those in the work that you do.

  Brittany Pastuhov (15:44.035)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (15:56.608)

  probably fall under the more goal obsessed end of the spectrum. I'm like currently I have this product called the lunar cycle planner planner that I use with all of my clients and it's essentially setting goals and planning micro goals with the lunar cycles to break it down.

  since I learned that I have ADHD late in life, I've also been revising that into a new mini course that's coming out, where I'm just like adding more strategies that have worked for me as a neurodivergent person in terms of goal setting and flexibility and still making progress on things. but like for, so for me goals, like for a lot of my clients, the goals can be kind of traumatic, like experiences, cause they like feel the sense of failure or

  wasn't a goal that they cared about enough. And so we kind of reframe how we're working towards things and even use different language. Like this is your beacon and we're moving toward, you know, this lighthouse on your path. Like just so that people can make progress without feeling locked into what our overculture kind of thinks of as goal setting and success or failure. But I do think that it's important if you want to transform your life, as you say, and embody a new identity,

  to have goals on the way there to help you mark your path and have something to work towards. So I would say I'm a very goal-oriented person, so that works for me. But I would also say that I used to shame myself a lot if I didn't do what I wanted to do. And now I'm much more open and flexible about my strategies for things like creative writing, which is a passion and part of my work as well.

  And yeah, what's your, yeah.

  Lucy Baldwin (17:38.12)

  so much. And thank you for giving me permission. feel like I'm also a very goal-oriented person, but I get very intense and sometimes in my sort of like spirituality, I can get very puritanical myself. So then I'm judging myself for being too goal-oriented and

  Brittany Pastuhov (17:47.81)

  Yeah.

  Okay.

  Brittany Pastuhov (17:55.606)

  Hmm.

  Lucy Baldwin (17:59.22)

  And I feel like I kind of like teeter between like, I'm both, I'm both and like, I'm really both. Some of my work is very goal oriented and I'm a very goal oriented person. But then also it's like my number one life goal is to like move in like the true spiritually aligned kind of direction. And so I feel like I get confused and I feel I give myself a hard time for being like too goal oriented. You know, like I should be more just like.

  Brittany Pastuhov (17:59.761)

  Brittany Pastuhov (18:03.747)

  Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (18:10.04)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (18:19.426)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (18:26.134)

  Yeah

  Lucy Baldwin (18:28.341)

  whatever, spiritual and not needing to have these like outcomes. But to me, that's kind of what makes life fun is to like reach for things and have a direction that we're going.

  Brittany Pastuhov (18:31.477)

  Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (18:37.804)

  Yeah, I agree. And I think like part of being a magician instead of someone who's in like an organized religion with a leader is having that agency, right, to direct the path. And so like the idea of just surrender, to me, it comes a lot from other philosophies, like Christian philosophy or Buddhist philosophy, sometimes that you're just surrendering to what is, it can be useful. But yeah, I don't think they have to be in tension with each other.

  Like I also teach the Venus codes, which is a course that I have and like it's all about relaxation and pleasure, which has been hard for me to learn, you know, like that's the other side of it is like if you're an ambitious person who likes to work, it can be really hard to just receive or adjust relax. And I've actually found that work with Venus and planetary magic with Venus to actually be so fruitful for me who has Venus and Virgo, who likes to work, you know, like

  Lucy Baldwin (19:35.892)

  Yeah, I love that so much. Yeah, yeah, I love what you said about like, that's what makes it different from organized religion. Like that's what being a magician is. I really like that. And did you say you have Venus in Virgo? I also have Venus in Virgo. And I'm also a very like ambitious sort of like, like to work and do things. And I'm, I tend to be a very sort of like martial person. And it is hard. I

  Brittany Pastuhov (19:36.822)

  So it's a good balance, you know? Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (19:48.928)

  Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (19:56.393)

  Brittany Pastuhov (20:01.388)

  Mm-hmm.

  Lucy Baldwin (20:05.513)

  I've been doing a lot of work around just like trying to relax and working with Venus. I've been working with Venus a lot and about like relaxing and receiving. And for me, the first layer was really Saturn, like working with Saturn to allow myself to have like more fluid structures. Like I need structure. I really, really need it. And I need it to be fluid. I need it to be, I need it to like serve me and not just like.

  Brittany Pastuhov (20:14.946)

  I love it.

  Brittany Pastuhov (20:19.404)

  Mm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (20:25.325)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (20:30.776)

  Mm-hmm.

  Lucy Baldwin (20:34.109)

  restrict me. and so that's where Saturn I feel like is so important for me because it's like lead, it's it's like so dense, but it's soft. And so we can, it can shift its form, like the structure is always there, but it can shift and change to like suit the needs of the moment and like the truth of the moment, hold like the reality, the physical reality of a moment. Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (20:43.106)

  Hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (20:59.458)

  Yeah.

  Yeah, I love that, like working with Saturn in a more kind of flexible way. And also because yeah, the structure is there to serve you, you're not there to serve the structure. And I also think of Saturn as things that are lasting or things that take a long time, which can be hard for me as a goal or into person to be like, this is gonna take a long time. Like, no, I want the gratification immediately, like all humans. But that idea of like a structure that's going to serve you long term, it can't be too rigid because

  life happens.

  Lucy Baldwin (21:34.292)

  Yeah, and I think that's the biggest lesson with Saturn is about just like facing the truth of reality and And so part of honoring reality is to have yeah fluidity within structure But also recognize that we need we need to be that we need to be contained in order to be able to build things like we have to have the foundation to build but it's I'm a very like impatient person and I'm actually so I have a program on Saturn called melt, which is like

  Brittany Pastuhov (21:35.894)

  Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (21:40.974)

  Mmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (21:47.959)

  Mm-hmm.

  Lucy Baldwin (22:02.471)

  I really recommend it for anybody who struggles with, yeah, just like time and structure and all that stuff. But I'm in a Jupiter program process right now. And one of the mantras of it is the slow, steady path is the fastest way. Just allowing that to be, to recognize that committing to that

  Brittany Pastuhov (22:08.93)

  Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (22:15.543)

  Nice.

  Brittany Pastuhov (22:23.202)

  Right.

  Lucy Baldwin (22:30.139)

  is actually the fastest way to get where we really want to go. And kind of just like claiming that and accepting that. that doesn't mean that magic won't happen and something might come. You're open to being struck by lightning. And it does just kind of mysteriously happen like that. But you have to start down the path. Because if you're always trying to avoid and find shortcuts, you

  Brittany Pastuhov (22:30.488)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (22:34.914)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (22:49.868)

  Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

  Lucy Baldwin (22:56.369)

  you can just you're just you just like end up in the wilderness.

  Brittany Pastuhov (23:00.75)

  Right, right, that's so true. Yeah, or just spinning in circles, you know? Do you have like a favorite or easiest planet to work with or one that's been more of a struggle for you?

  Lucy Baldwin (23:07.358)

  Exactly.

  Lucy Baldwin (23:16.693)

  So I am very obsessed with Saturn. And yeah, like I have, do probably my, like my favorite course that I offer is on Saturn. And it's called Melt. It's about like literally melting into like 4D reality with Saturn, know, like, but I am a very Mars person who struggles with, yeah, who struggles with like,

  Brittany Pastuhov (23:20.75)

  Okay, I love that.

  Brittany Pastuhov (23:30.519)

  Mmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (23:36.31)

  Ooh, okay.

  Brittany Pastuhov (23:42.542)

  Mm.

  Lucy Baldwin (23:46.337)

  Venus. So I feel like Venus is where a lot of medicine is for me. And I've been working with Venus more and more because I see how that's the energy that I... Because I'm a little bit, I would say, I would diagnose myself as being slightly out of balance, leaning more towards Mars and I want to be more centered between that polarity, within that polarity. So Mars comes really naturally to me, but I don't really work with Mars very much because I'm like, I've got that.

  Brittany Pastuhov (23:47.893)

  Okay

  Brittany Pastuhov (24:08.366)

  Mm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (24:15.438)

  You already, Mars, yeah.

  Lucy Baldwin (24:16.246)

  And what, yeah, so I'm always calling in or what I haven't been calling in enough and I'm doing a lot more with now is Venus. Yeah, what about you?

  Brittany Pastuhov (24:26.266)

  Mm. I love that. Yeah, we're a little bit opposite that way. I respect Saturn, you know, but it's been a long journey with Saturn to really feel that sense of structure and time. Like, I feel like I've fought a lot against structure and time and discipline in my life, though it may not have seen that way to other people, like, internally. I think that...

  Lucy Baldwin (24:42.902)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (24:50.25)

  I don't do a lot of work with Mercury, but I am also always working with Mercury as an astrologer and a writer. It's like one of that's the one I think that comes the most naturally to me that I do not think about as much. And then other planets, I'm like more conscious of doing planetary magic with them. I actually bought some, it wasn't just Mercury material, it was his own thing from Sphere and Sundry, but it was like heavily featuring Mercury. And it made me like too ADHD. I was like, I have too many ideas. I'm like.

  writing everything down, this is too much. Like I need something just to date me, you know? So yeah, too much mercury is like overload for me because I already have that essence. Like it comes very naturally to me or at least I've worked with it a lot in my life.

  Lucy Baldwin (25:25.238)

  Yeah.

  Lucy Baldwin (25:36.767)

  Yeah, yeah, that's funny. Mercury is kind of always there because I feel like Mercury is so central in our culture and society and magic. know, Mercury is a magician. Yeah, and it's funny too what you said about Saturn because I think the reason why I'm so obsessed with Saturn, I always say, is because I need it more than anybody. Like I am the most, like I need Saturn the most and that's why I'm obsessed with it because I'm like,

  Brittany Pastuhov (25:38.083)

  Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (25:45.752)

  That's true too. Absolutely. Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (25:59.874)

  Mm.

  Lucy Baldwin (26:05.396)

  This is the thing that I'm always struggling with.

  Brittany Pastuhov (26:07.566)

  Yeah, where is your soldering in your chart?

  Lucy Baldwin (26:13.43)

  So I have Saturn and Capricorn in my 11th house, but it's conjunct with Uranus and Neptune maybe.

  Brittany Pastuhov (26:16.718)

  okay. Got it. Okay.

  Brittany Pastuhov (26:23.582)

  Yeah, okay. So yeah, but also like to one of your jobs to bring Saturn to the collect to your collective, you know, that Saturn and a new take on Saturn. I need your course because yeah, still working with Saturn. Yeah, I like to think of Saturn like lately I've found more

  openness for me and thinking of Saturn as crone energy, like grandmother, wise grandmother energy. And that kind of unlocked something for me where I was like, I've been thinking of this like restrictive masculine kind of patriarchal structure. But really, this could be wise grandmother energy that says slow down, take it one step at a time. Yeah.

  Lucy Baldwin (27:04.874)

  Yes, 100%. I actually, I had a Saturn course that I made years ago and then I just remade a new one. And the first one was a very masculinized Saturn. And the second version of the course was much more of the grandmother version. I really, like between creating those courses, I really like leaned much deeper into the like Saturn as the womb of reality. know, Saturn as like black empty space.

  And that yes, the grandmother exactly exactly Yeah, I love I yeah I do I really love Saturn and that is really helpful for people I think especially where we are right now sort of culturally. It's like Because there is a toughness that is what 4d that is what Like it's dense reality like the human experience, you know to me Saturn is like it's like

  Brittany Pastuhov (27:33.262)

  Hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (27:58.829)

  Mm-hmm.

  Lucy Baldwin (28:02.42)

  The human experience is dense. It's hard. There's so much that comes along with like being embodied. And so the answer is to me, it's like we have to face death. until we kind of let, we have to kind of confront it because it's part of what makes us human is like our short lifespan is kind of.

  a central defining characteristic of a human. We would not be what we are if we lived, you know, for hundreds of years. It would be such a different thing.

  Brittany Pastuhov (28:40.066)

  Mm. That's so profound. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And you just I just had this realization that like, I avoid thinking about mortality by with my belief in reincarnation, because I'm just like, I'll just do. Let's do it in the next lifetime. I'm coming back. Which is, you know, in some ways avoidance. Yeah. That's. Yeah.

  Lucy Baldwin (28:41.588)

  Like it's in everything.

  Lucy Baldwin (29:02.582)

  But it's interesting because that's interesting though because there is also a flip side because I also believe in reincarnation and there is a flip side which is, which I have confronted, done a lot of work around myself, which is actually the fear of eternity, which is, which to me is actually more terrifying than death.

  Brittany Pastuhov (29:16.365)

  Mmm.

  That is more terrifying because it never ends. Like, are you kidding? Yeah.

  Lucy Baldwin (29:24.244)

  Yeah. So it's a lot. The Saturn themes are a lot.

  Brittany Pastuhov (29:25.974)

  I love that. It's intense and deep. I love hearing you talk about it. So I'm kind of curious. I always like to ask people how they got into magic or when they first knew that they were magical.

  Lucy Baldwin (29:32.458)

  Yeah.

  Lucy Baldwin (29:43.923)

  Yeah, so I did ayahuasca medicine work for like eight plus years, very sort of regularly and consistently and took it very like intensely. And it was kind of like the defining like theme of my 20s, let's say. And so I...

  Brittany Pastuhov (29:50.071)

  Mmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (29:56.759)

  Hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (30:01.293)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (30:09.399)

  Okay.

  Lucy Baldwin (30:14.132)

  You know, there's a lot that comes with that, but you really feel the truth of the mysterious nature of reality and like the power of the human consciousness and that things are so much more than we can comprehend. so you're just constantly faced with the reality of, yeah, magic and mystery.

  Brittany Pastuhov (30:28.642)

  you

  Lucy Baldwin (30:43.574)

  But I remember one of my friends from within that community one day was just like very, she was just like, you know, magic is real. And I was like, yeah, of course. Like, of course it is. But the way that she said it, just kind of like struck me. And I was just like, holy shit, yeah, it is. And then I kind of like dove down the rabbit hole of learning about magic and spent a lot of time

  Brittany Pastuhov (30:58.654)

  No.

  Lucy Baldwin (31:13.514)

  learning from Carolyn Elliott, you know, who wrote Existential King and, you know, working for her and learning. And she had me like reading all these books and studying all this like mad old magic and different things and had to do all these like practices. And but through that really have always wanted to like really built my own relationship, especially with the planetary archetypes and felt like I wanted

  Brittany Pastuhov (31:17.293)

  Yes.

  Brittany Pastuhov (31:25.934)

  Hmm.

  Lucy Baldwin (31:42.88)

  people to like know that they could have their own relationship with these archetypes. And yeah, that's kind how I got into it. What about you?

  Brittany Pastuhov (31:54.83)

  That's, I love that story. That's a very intense initiation to come through Ayahuasca. you know, that's, I haven't talked to anyone else who was initiated in that way into magic, but really cool, very cool. For me, I was, it was Wicca in the nineties. Like I was like 15 and I was like, didn't want to confirm to my Christian church, which was kind of a.

  problem for my mother, who was raised Southern Baptist and I wasn't, but I think there was a holdover where she was like, what do you mean? Of course you're going to be in the church. You're do it. You just go through the confirmation class and say yes. It's not something you're supposed to think about that much. So I went on this whole spiritual search for my religion at 15, and I found a book on Wicca by Scott Cunningham. It was the book, The Solitary Practitioner.

  This was before, no, we didn't really have information on the internet. Like I had to go to a borders, like outside of my rural town in Maine and like find this book. And so I like self-initiated. And then since then I've just been on this path of witchcraft. I've been in a traditional coven and been initiated there. And now I'm solo again because I moved and like on this whole parenting journey as a, as a pagan witch, but that's sort of.

  That's been my journey was like, always knew that I, you know, was spiritual in a different way than I was raised. And so it just took me a little bit to find that. And I also like, I watched Practical Magic with my best friend around the same time and was like, this movie is meaningful to me on a level that I cannot explain, but like that feels right. Yeah.

  Lucy Baldwin (33:38.807)

  Yeah, that's so cool. I've actually never studied or really learned anything about Wiccan magic, which is funny to me because I've been like, was so much, there was so much around like Egyptian and Eastern philosophy. I studied Eastern philosophy in college and even in high school and like I studied like Western magic, like hermeticism and obviously astrology, but never.

  Brittany Pastuhov (33:47.662)

  Mm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (33:52.75)

  Mm-hmm.

  Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (34:05.07)

  Lucy Baldwin (34:07.658)

  learned about Wiccan Magic, like know almost nothing about it.

  Brittany Pastuhov (34:11.182)

  Yeah.

  I mean, it's like, you know, Gerald Gardner in England in like the 50s was saying that he'd been initiated by someone in a traditional coven and like it hasn't really been proven, you know, like it's sort of like it was essentially like a new religion that was invented or, but it certainly takes, it borrows a lot from those old ways, things you've learned from hermeticism, things you've learned from other things and then became its own.

  kind of version. So people have a lot of different ways of relating to it. Like I don't really consider myself Wiccan as much now, but that was the framework that I found that seemed to fit and work for me. Now I'd say I would say that my practices tend more toward like traditional witchcraft of paying attention to the land where I am and the seasons of that land and the spirits of that land.

  And that's how it's kind of evolved. But in the 90s, that's what I had access to. And so that felt like the best fit for me, you know.

  Lucy Baldwin (35:09.494)

  That's so funny. Yeah, because like, with Ayahuasca, it's so much about the land and the spirits and the land and the ancestors and then in like the Western, hermeticism and like golden dawn and all of that. And even Egyptian magic, there's a lot around like orienting towards the directions and the associations with the different directions and the elements. then, and so it all kind of is like the same, know, but.

  Brittany Pastuhov (35:24.046)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (35:33.571)

  Right.

  Brittany Pastuhov (35:37.58)

  A lot of it will intersect, yeah.

  Lucy Baldwin (35:39.39)

  Yeah, yeah, but I've never I've never considered myself a witch. Like, I don't really I've never identified with that that word. Like, I use the word magician sort of like, I don't know if this is even the word. But yeah, I do. I definitely like I've never done anything with like. Herbs are like, you know, I'm not like a kitchen witch type magician, like I don't I mean, I drink teas and things like that, but like.

  Brittany Pastuhov (35:43.778)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (35:50.646)

  Yeah, no, totally.

  Brittany Pastuhov (36:00.0)

  Hmm.

  Lucy Baldwin (36:07.975)

  Yeah, that is like so outside my realm of knowledge.

  Brittany Pastuhov (36:13.056)

  Yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't call myself a kitchen witch either because the kitchen witches are amazing at what they do culinary arts. But I would say that since becoming a mom, it's been more of a central focus, you know, putting magic in the food or making like a potion tea spell or something. I think where I tend to thrive most is in seer work and psychic work. And like psychic, like almost mental magic or dream work. That's like where I and also like the planetary, of course, being an astrologer, the planetary magic.

  Lucy Baldwin (36:17.975)

  you

  Brittany Pastuhov (36:43.542)

  Yeah, but like one way to get into herbalism for people who are interested is through the planets and like identifying which plants sort of align with that particular planet and then bringing more rows in for Venus or more like planet plants associated with Mars tend to tend to be kind of like bitter or like very sort of like aggressive in their actions, but they can be very healing. Recently on the line that like pine tree is one of the trees that

  can be associated with Mars and I've been working a lot with pines. like sometimes that can be an entryway into where it can become part of the basis for a planetary spell or something like that.

  Lucy Baldwin (37:21.803)

  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I used to do more with you know, like cayenne pepper and like different like honey and working with different things. I feel like I feel like I could get more into that. I have started to like I've I've I've been moving more in the direction of like, because yeah, I'm so in the mental space. And you know, I studied I have a degree in cognitive science and I'm just like,

  Brittany Pastuhov (37:44.472)

  Mm-hmm.

  Okay.

  Lucy Baldwin (37:47.402)

  So always been so obsessed with like language and the human mind and like philosophy and I get these headaches And I was actually like having one of these headaches recently and I was like I literally just I okay, this is such a random like side tangent, but I was Thinking about headaches and how annoying they are because like I feel like i'm always like in my head And I was like, what if I just like move?

  Brittany Pastuhov (37:52.28)

  Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (37:56.855)

  Mm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (38:06.659)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (38:13.804)

  Mm-hmm.

  Lucy Baldwin (38:16.641)

  down into my body. And it was so interesting because I do a lot of work to move into my body like when I'm doing practices and stuff, but my default is to be to feel like I am in my head, like my consciousness is here. And so I literally like move my consciousness down into my body. And it really it was like I was in my living room and with my family and I was like, I need to go to my office and just like do this for a little while. And it was crazy because it

  Brittany Pastuhov (38:18.062)

  Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (38:23.842)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (38:36.078)

  Mm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (38:42.53)

  Mm-hmm.

  Lucy Baldwin (38:44.777)

  it did, like I could feel how the headache, softened the headache. it, really almost completely went away at times. and so this is my new practice of like getting out of my head and like moving, holding my consciousness. Like it's almost like a muscle, like holding it down here. and, but I've also been in this place of like wanting to work with my hands more because I've been so much online. Like I want to,

  Brittany Pastuhov (38:49.656)

  Hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (38:59.416)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (39:04.258)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (39:13.25)

  Yeah.

  Lucy Baldwin (39:15.125)

  I've always been a per, I always have like little hobbies where I'm like doing cross-stitch or doing whatever, but I want to incorporate that more into my magic, like doing things with my hands, like creating things. And yeah, so this conversation is inspiring me. Exactly.

  Brittany Pastuhov (39:19.596)

  Yeah.

  Mm-hmm

  Brittany Pastuhov (39:29.568)

  Yeah, that 4D reality. Yeah, and all the plants also have like spirits. So when I work with rosemary, I'll say, and if it's a dried rosemary, I'll wake it up, I'll say, your rosemary, your rosemary, like remember, because you're essentially working with like the corpse of rosemary, right? So like you have to like, wake it up a little bit, and then say, this is what I want you to do for me, please. And I found that to be very effective in my magic to work with the spirit of the plant.

  or even if you're more of a mental person to like journey to that plant or like try to communicate with that plant. But like there is something about touching things in the 4D, especially in this kind of virtual world that we're finding that we need to take a break from it and just be part of the world and remember that like these sensory experiences are not optional.

  Lucy Baldwin (40:17.513)

  Yeah. Yeah. Wow. So much there. I love what you said about waking up the plant. I feel like you've just blown the minds of so many people listening to this. Certainly mine.

  Brittany Pastuhov (40:24.974)

  Yeah.

  If it's dried, you know, if it's fresh, you probably it's awake. But like, yeah, if it's dried, I found that and I don't remember where I learned that it was from someone else, but it has been very effective.

  Lucy Baldwin (40:34.038)

  Yeah.

  Lucy Baldwin (40:40.627)

  Yeah, that's so fascinating. Yeah, you're right. that, yeah, this the whole like experience of being a human is so intense. And we have all of these allies here, you know, these plan allies and yeah, that that can that can help us help soothe our experience and take us into different sort of realities and realms. And so, yeah, there's so much to explore. It's such a fascinating world that we live in.

  Brittany Pastuhov (40:42.221)

  Mm-hmm.

  you

  Brittany Pastuhov (40:52.054)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (41:01.411)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (41:07.338)

  Yeah, but even like you without allies just moving your consciousness down, like that sounds like magic to someone who suffers from migraines for you to be like, I just decided to not have a headache by moving my consciousness down lower into my body is like, that's mind blowing too.

  Lucy Baldwin (41:26.217)

  Yeah, but it's not, you know, it's like, as someone who's been doing somatic work for like years, you know, it's like, it's a skill that we have that I have built to be able to do that. I remember the first time somebody took me through a process like that, and it just totally blew my mind. But yeah, using it in this way of like, if I just maybe this headache won't be so impact, because it can be just like so all consuming. And it's like, well, if my consciousness is down here, then

  Brittany Pastuhov (41:31.79)

  Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (41:37.132)

  Right.

  you

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (41:49.16)

  Right. Sure.

  Lucy Baldwin (41:55.209)

  Yeah, anyways, is cool. It is cool. We can do with ourselves.

  Brittany Pastuhov (41:58.007)

  It is magic, you know, it seems like when I think when you've been practicing a modality for so long that it becomes more natural or like, there's a lot of skills that you built that went into that one moment, right? Like that got you there. But then to someone who doesn't know about it is just like, what do mean? You just, you know, thought away your headache. Like, that's, that's magical.

  Lucy Baldwin (42:20.245)

  Yeah, yeah, that is true. That is true.

  Brittany Pastuhov (42:21.814)

  Yeah. And our mind has so many effects on the body. Do you have like otherwise, like a favorite story about a result from planetary magic that kind of blew your mind or was just like so on point with what you had chosen? Or perhaps like a mistake of like something that, you know, didn't go the way you thought it would.

  Lucy Baldwin (42:45.985)

  I feel like the thing in my life that I feel was the most sort of synchronistic, magical, big result that I've had was buying my house. Because I, know, as somebody who works for myself, just like being even in a position to be able to get a mortgage was, seemed like

  Brittany Pastuhov (43:02.516)

  Mm, yes.

  Brittany Pastuhov (43:12.013)

  Yeah.

  Lucy Baldwin (43:15.85)

  insurmountable. I'm the sole breadwinner in my family. So just like me being able to buy, I live in Connecticut. So I did a lot of, I did Jupiter magic and I kind of like was, so I'm not going to say I did, I wanted to buy a house for a long time and it just felt like this kind of impossible goal. So it's not like it,

  Brittany Pastuhov (43:16.748)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (43:20.206)

  Bye bye.

  Brittany Pastuhov (43:25.304)

  Mmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (43:39.522)

  Mm-hmm. Right.

  Lucy Baldwin (43:43.136)

  It wasn't like so, know, when people tell these stories, it's really easy to kind of like be like, and then it just happened all of sudden. And it is how it felt, but there was a lot of like, you know, there is a whole iceberg there, right? It kind of like what we just talked about where it's like, you know, there's all of these unknown kind of like things that are coming in and in this moment and creating that, facilitating this thing happening. But it did feel so magical because it was sort of like there was...

  Brittany Pastuhov (43:51.221)

  Right.

  Brittany Pastuhov (43:56.493)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (44:05.453)

  Mm-hmm.

  Lucy Baldwin (44:12.663)

  there was like suddenly an intense need, an intense desire, and everything just kind of came together in a way that I would have thought like that's not possible, like rationally. And there was also a clear directive, like I was actually, you know, like it was, so I had been renting a house and it fell through in a sort of dramatic way. And I ended up having to move into my mom's house and I was living in, it was embarrassing, but it happened, you know.

  Brittany Pastuhov (44:24.738)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (44:34.018)

  Mm-hmm.

  Lucy Baldwin (44:42.039)

  I was living in my mom's house with a bunch of kids and my husband and she had like a pretty good setup for us like we had a few bedrooms and stuff, but It was just not You know, it's just hard when you have kids and toddlers to be living and my mom like worked from home and it was just like very challenging and I remember being on the phone with my dad and he was like you have to get out of there

  Brittany Pastuhov (44:42.711)

  Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (44:46.914)

  Mm-hmm. Sure.

  Lucy Baldwin (45:09.599)

  My parents are long divorced. But he actually was saying about my husband, because my husband was really struggling in this scenario. And he was like, yeah, you have to get him out of there. And I like had a contract to buy a house within a month of him saying like, there was just this like a zing, like, yes, I do. And now I'm going to go do that. And I had done a lot of Jupiter magic, like right before that.

  Brittany Pastuhov (45:15.67)

  Right. This is going to be for your marriage important for your family. Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (45:31.118)

  Yeah.

  Lucy Baldwin (45:37.976)

  and actually gone to Croatia, there's a Jupiter temple in Croatia, in Split Croatia that we visited and we went there and we did a ritual around getting our house. then it was at the time, so this was three years ago when the housing market was insane. It was like right, it was at the end of COVID. And when we came to the house that I now own, there was a line down the driveway and into the road. It was an open house.

  Brittany Pastuhov (45:38.328)

  Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (45:43.406)

  Mmm. I love that.

  Brittany Pastuhov (45:49.441)

  Yes.

  Brittany Pastuhov (45:55.842)

  Mm-hmm.

  Lucy Baldwin (46:05.799)

  And I was just like, how the fuck are we ever going to buy a house in this housing environment? And it was like kind of at the bottom of the market in terms of like price, you know, is like.

  Brittany Pastuhov (46:05.987)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (46:14.606)

  Sure. So a lot of people interested because it's fine. Like they can afford it and yeah.

  Lucy Baldwin (46:18.633)

  Yeah, yeah. And I specifically chose one that was like, yeah, at the bottom so that I could because we had to overbid to get the house, you know, because people were having like bidding wars and yeah, houses were going for more than they were. Yeah. And there was this whole drama around like, going to get up? It was just it was so stressful, but we fucking did it. And it was it was just wild. And looking back now, I'm just like, wow, that was so fucking magical. So that's my big that's kind of my big like Jupiter magic win.

  Brittany Pastuhov (46:24.694)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (46:28.926)

  Sure. It was that market. We did too. Yeah. Yeah.

  So dramatic. Yay.

  Thank you, Jupiter.

  Lucy Baldwin (46:48.593)

  And now, yeah. Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (46:49.046)

  I love that. I like I people's house buying magic stories because it is it does feel so magical and it's so important like where you live, your home like we I also worked with Jupiter to get our house during that during a crazy market five years ago. And you confuse real estate agents because like no one made an offer on it that they had to take the price down. So then our real estate agent told us about it. And that's like how we like started to get it. the

  syncs with Jupiter and Hecate was involved. She would like to be mentioned. I keep hearing in this podcast, I work with Hecate a lot. Hecate was also central, but like the planetary part, I worked a lot with Jupiter and it was like, there was a, the week before we got the house, like there was a bull that kept coming into the yard of the place we were staying to eat the apples. It kept getting out of like the farm next door. They had to keep coming to get it. And then when we walked into the house, there was like a painting of a bull right there.

  And when you tell these stories, people are like, and? It only makes sense if you're in the synchronicity at the moment. But it was an extremely magical kind of time of alignment. So I get what you're saying. It's like, how are we going to get this line down the block? People are making cash offers, overbidding. This is insane. But magic can really help in those situations where it just puts you, it gives you an advantage that you didn't have.

  wealth wise, right? Or like, in an otherwise like in a market sense. And I find that with like jobs too, with people I've worked with getting jobs, you know, that they didn't necessarily think they could get, you know, or didn't dare to hope for before.

  Lucy Baldwin (48:30.697)

  Yeah, it's like, it's like, to me, it's like, there's always a path and the and doing the magic kind of helps you like, find that just right path that gets to the thing. It's like, it's not fantasy magic, like it has to be physically possible within the real world. But it's like, you can find the one path that's going to get you to the destination where everything is going to kind of fall into place. Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (48:35.936)

  Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (48:42.347)

  Okay.

  Brittany Pastuhov (48:48.929)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (48:54.294)

  Right.

  Lucy Baldwin (48:57.803)

  I'm curious what if you have a similar, what's your version of like super, super magical thing that you like to share story.

  Brittany Pastuhov (49:06.664)

  like the house buying one was a big one for us. I also have been working a lot with the sun. I have the sun like in Libra, so not in like a great position for the sun to be. And it's also like at the bottom of my chart. like not the sun shiniest. I'm very lunar chart. so I've been, I've worked with the sun a lot for visibility, for success, for getting comfortable with visibility and success and like, to some degree, like entrepreneurship and money stuff.

  And one thing that I found that was interesting was like, started wearing this talisman of soul, which this one came from Tony Mack and Sphere and Sundry and immediately started getting really irritated with the part-time job that I had at the time. Like really mad, you know, this is not using my skills in the best way. It's wasting my time. This isn't like how I thought it would go. Like, why am I even? This is just, it's not, I would be making more money not working here, right? In my own business. And so that got me like, that kind of drove me

  to leave, you know, obviously give notice and everything, but like to go and just focus and believe in my own business at a time when I was feeling some self doubt and some stress around it. So like that, the way that magic works on you, you know, like kind of emotionally and mentally sometimes in ways that you didn't expect. Cause I think sun, happiness, light, sunshine, right? But at first it was just making me really irritable.

  with a situation in which I felt like disempowered and so that wasn't really good enough for soul. Yeah, and so I find it works that way too. Just like you had to be in your mom's house before you found your own house, which is not abnormal. Often doing magic, like in my experience and other people's experiences I've worked with, will kind of kick you out of a situation that was like good enough but not that great.

  Lucy Baldwin (51:04.437)

  Yeah, yeah, we totally got kicked out of this house we were renting, which we loved that house too. And then I thought there's no better house for us than this house. And then being so humbled, like living with my mom, like in my thirties with all my kids, and then finding this house, which at first glance, I was like, what the hell? Like, this seriously? And then now it's like, this house is perfect. It is so perfect. I love everything about it.

  Brittany Pastuhov (51:05.698)

  Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (51:09.558)

  Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (51:18.616)

  for

  Lucy Baldwin (51:33.207)

  Yeah, it's just wild. home is so important. My Jupiter is also in Cancer in my fourth house. So yeah, it makes sense that the Jupiter synchronicity would really call in the home.

  Brittany Pastuhov (51:35.138)

  Good. Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (51:42.382)

  Okay, so really important. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (51:50.988)

  Yes, absolutely. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah, I think that like, and sometimes the universe knows what's like they, it's like Jupiter could see more than you could see of the lay of the land at that time, right? And so like, sometimes there is a surrender and trust that comes with like, I'm going to get something even better than what I asked for, or they're going to find a way to get me what I asked for. And I don't really know what it is yet, but it's going to be perfect for me, you know.

  Lucy Baldwin (52:19.787)

  Yeah. Yeah. it's like, and with like your job, the job that you had, it's like, maybe it's really great on paper, but then it's not what's true for you. And so it's calling you to like step into what is true for you in a more profound way.

  Brittany Pastuhov (52:25.25)

  Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (52:32.151)

  Right.

  Brittany Pastuhov (52:37.326)

  Mm hmm. Yeah, too safe. I find that I tend to sort of like metaphorically or literally get kind of kicked out of jobs that are too safe for me until I just have to do entrepreneurship, which at this point, I'm like, it's just going to be entrepreneurship. Like, that's it. I'm done, you know, trying to take a safe part time job to make some cash on the side or whatever. But that's like my story. I'm curious, like how entrepreneurship may have like

  evoked things spiritually for you. I know that it's spiritual entrepreneurship, but how have you grown as a person just by running your own business?

  Lucy Baldwin (53:13.931)

  I mean, it's like a constant thing because it is very confronting. I have never had a real job. I mean, I worked for Carolyn for a long, I worked within her business as a contractor for years and kind of sold my programs through her business for a long time. I worked as like an employee for her for six months and then the universe.

  Brittany Pastuhov (53:25.614)

  Mm.

  Lucy Baldwin (53:43.32)

  ended that and was just like, nope. And that was not true for any, and that was a beautiful ending and opening. And I think that on my bad days, I'm like, I should just get a fucking job. That would be so easy. It would be so easy to have a job and just know you're going to get, you know, but then

  Brittany Pastuhov (53:47.79)

  Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (54:05.39)

  Right.

  Brittany Pastuhov (54:10.678)

  Yeah. Yeah.

  Lucy Baldwin (54:12.969)

  My husband is always like, you would hate it. You would hate it. And I think, yeah, on a bad day, it's like the grass is greener. But yeah, it forces me to... I don't like super struggle with visibility because I have a Leo stellium. And so visibility hasn't been my...

  Brittany Pastuhov (54:25.614)

  Totally.

  Lucy Baldwin (54:40.833)

  But, I know it is for so many people that I work with, you know, it's like, that's really a big one. For me, it's more just like...

  Brittany Pastuhov (54:44.654)

  Mm-hmm.

  Lucy Baldwin (54:50.357)

  I feel, have to, I am just a little diva sometimes about like, I need it to feel like true and in my creative flow and I have to be inspired or I'm just not gonna fucking do it.

  Brittany Pastuhov (55:01.41)

  Yes.

  Brittany Pastuhov (55:05.55)

  Right, which sometimes when you have to do some things for your business that are just need to get done, it can be a real struggle to be your own boss and like make yourself do it. Yeah.

  Lucy Baldwin (55:15.861)

  Yeah. And also it's like I always have to kind of innovate. And if I'm not feeling it, I'm not going to launch it. And then there's this tension between like, well, I kind of need to start thinking about making money soon. And also like, yeah, but I'm not doing that. And so it's always a trust fall of like, OK, well, I'm going to do something different here and it might not work. And then I might be in big trouble financially, but we're just this is what has to happen. And so

  Brittany Pastuhov (55:29.579)

  Mm-hmm. Yeah.

  Lucy Baldwin (55:45.228)

  And I always kind of push things to the last minute. I like that. I've been kind of in that. I've been a little stuck in this game with that, that I'm currently trying to shed some beliefs around and doing some fun hypnosis on myself around. yeah, yeah. It's like my big spiritual work is always in.

  Brittany Pastuhov (55:48.151)

  If you

  Lucy Baldwin (56:08.053)

  trusting and surrendering and trusting and surrendering. And I feel like as somebody who like literally teaches fucking magic and is teaching this all the time, it's like, I I force myself, I hold myself to the fire. So I'm like, we are gonna walk the fucking walk or we're not doing it. And so I feel like I have this weird game of like forcing myself to be in that by like.

  Brittany Pastuhov (56:24.77)

  Mm-hmm.

  Lucy Baldwin (56:34.113)

  taking, making risky decisions and like to show that I have to constantly be like surrendering and like trusting the universe and trusting the planets and trusting that everything is gonna work out. And it always fucking does. It always does.

  Brittany Pastuhov (56:36.642)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (56:41.283)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (56:47.296)

  It always when you actually do it, like you're all the way surrendered into it always does. Yeah. Yeah, I feel that because it is it can be very confronting. And I think like, for me, it's been like, to some degree, like hiding or some kind of hiding through perfectionism, right? Like getting a project almost to the finish line and then being like, no, I need to completely redo it. Like, no, this needs to be like this can't be seen yet.

  And just being able to let go of it, letting things be imperfect has been like a part of being an entrepreneur and putting things out there for people to see and buy. like, yeah, is, it's yeah, having a job sounds so easy. It would not, can't do it. And my husband also is like, I recognize that it will just is not gonna be a thing that you can do. But it also.

  Lucy Baldwin (57:34.827)

  Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (57:39.53)

  Yeah, that journey of entrepreneurship is a very, it's a journey that forces you to confront all the different parts of yourself and also to realize your own power because you make something, you put out in the world, you made your own money, you know, to have never like been officially sort of employed in a normal capacity is pretty awesome.

  Lucy Baldwin (58:00.106)

  Yeah, it's really interesting though, because it's very direct. It's like, know, I'm my the people that buy from me, like those are those people support me. And it's like, and so there's this very interesting like relationship of like, like providing value and, you know, contributing in major ways to their lives and

  Brittany Pastuhov (58:06.347)

  Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (58:12.78)

  Right.

  Brittany Pastuhov (58:20.279)

  Mm-hmm.

  Lucy Baldwin (58:28.971)

  like loving them and caring about them and them. And then, yeah, also just like being paid by people directly. You know, I feel like it's very, when you just like have a company paying you, you kind of lose touch with like that interpersonal dynamic of money exchange. And so it's very like direct. It's like, there are people who buy things from me that literally feeds like,

  Brittany Pastuhov (58:32.098)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (58:36.536)

  Mm-hmm. Right.

  Brittany Pastuhov (58:42.658)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (58:49.294)

  Mmm.

  Lucy Baldwin (58:57.953)

  puts food on my table. And there's no intermediary there.

  Brittany Pastuhov (58:59.98)

  Yes.

  Mm Yeah, it's very alive that way, especially with one on one services like coaching or like I give readings. And so every time someone buys, I'm like, I get to see that person again, or like, you know, my coaching clients, like, that's a very important and very special relationship to someone to be able to coach them through something, and to be trusted with that mentorship. And so like it is it's so much more than just like, getting paid. It's like this energy exchange.

  and the idea that people actually want to spend time with you and get the learning that you're offering, you know, and receive the spiritual gifts that you have is so special. And then I always, I mean, every time I read a chart, I learned something. So it's like, thank you for letting me, you know, thank you for letting me read for you.

  Lucy Baldwin (59:52.661)

  Yeah, yeah, totally, totally.

  Magic is so cool.

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:00:01.814)

  It is so cool. It's always fun to talk with other people who get it, you know, because this is a whole world separate from the overworld, you know, that most people are used to, so.

  Lucy Baldwin (01:00:07.99)

  Yeah.

  Lucy Baldwin (01:00:14.015)

  Yeah. Yeah. And it's really cool that we get to, I don't know, like we live in a world that allows us to do this kind of work. Or like, I'm just like a crazy lady on the internet, like hawking my wares. And isn't that so beautiful that we can do that?

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:00:15.341)

  Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:00:23.351)

  Yes.

  Yeah. Uh-huh.

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:00:33.43)

  It's so amazing that we can reach so many people, you know, just like through phones or internet. mean, I, my grandmother loved going to psychics. And so she took me, know, when I was like, considered old enough, like to get a tarot reading and this lady read my cards and I was like 19 and everything she said was absolutely accurate, completely on point. I accepted none of it. Cause I didn't know myself at all at the time.

  She's like, your current boyfriend, not the one for you. Your current major, not the one for you. And I was just like, whatever, lady. But absolutely on point now that I've lived that story, can see. she's probably, maybe she had an ad in the classifieds, or maybe it was just word of mouth. So the idea that we can reach so many people as spiritual entrepreneurs now is a game changer.

  Lucy Baldwin (01:01:27.765)

  Yeah, yeah, I'm so curious about this. It seems like you really remember what this woman said to you.

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:01:35.906)

  I remember a couple of things, like the boyfriend thing, you know, really upset me at the time. And then that I was in the wrong major, I was like, no way. But I really didn't know myself at 19. I did finish that major in anthropology, but I also ended up double majoring in English because writing was my true love. so like that was, she was more on point with that. She's like, I see you telling stories, you know, I don't really see you being like an anthropologist. I don't really know where that comes from.

  Lucy Baldwin (01:01:46.785)

  What was your major at the time?

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:02:05.198)

  I think with anthropology, what I was actually looking for was magic. I would take a course in ancient civilizations and then it would always kind of disappoint me because we would never really get to the magic part of it, which is actually what I got more through witchcraft and coven work and seeing the more esoteric side of things like Egyptian magic. I think that's what I was looking for in college that I could not find, but I had this feeling so close.

  You know? Yeah.

  Lucy Baldwin (01:02:35.543)

  Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I did a lot with anthropology and I have a minor in anthropology because it's a big part of cognitive science. It's like looking at culture and humans and everything. And I was when I was in college, I was a little bit older. So I was like deep in my psych. I was deep in the like Iowa school world. And we did one of the like classes. This is such I mean, there were a lot of classes like, you know, in like studying all the different religions was so cool.

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:02:40.609)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:02:44.608)

  Sure.

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:02:54.19)

  Mmm.

  Lucy Baldwin (01:03:05.751)

  But one of the classes that I took was we went, we did like a deep dive into fire walking, like cultures that do like fireworks. And yeah, I don't know. Anyways, I feel like you were onto something with that, like understanding like culture and like the human experience and like, yeah, yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:03:06.016)

  Yes.

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:03:13.72)

  Mm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:03:17.282)

  Mm-hmm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:03:24.878)

  Totally.

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:03:28.726)

  Yeah, yeah, I don't regret it. think she was just more like, that's your career is going to be different than that, you know, or she just whatever she was seeing in the cards, she was like, that doesn't really match. But yeah, I think it's interesting how a psychic reading can be totally on point and still not resonate with the person because it hasn't happened yet, or they aren't as aware of themselves, especially with younger people, I find that.

  Lucy Baldwin (01:03:35.786)

  Yeah.

  Lucy Baldwin (01:03:54.815)

  Yeah, I'm curious like if you have a favorite tarot deck that you work with.

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:03:56.11)

  Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:04:00.192)

  Ooh, it's hard to pick favorites, but I really, think the Morgan Greer is the kind of like rider weight centered deck that I keep going back to as like a basis for me, even though I have lots of other decks that are different and use different imagery, the Morgan Greer has like this 70s kind of like aesthetic, a lot of like, like the royalty is very royal.

  very purple and I find that imagery really speaks to me in terms of archetypal tarot. Yeah, do you have a favorite doc? Do you work with tarot decks?

  Lucy Baldwin (01:04:34.263)

  Interesting. Yes. Yes. So I work with the South deck and I've had the same deck for like 20 years and I've bought like the Rider Waite and the Marseille and other decks and I just, I think I'm just so from, it's like ingrained in my brain that I've really struggled to like work with other decks.

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:04:40.96)

  Okay, yes, that makes sense. Yeah.

  Mm-hmm. Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:04:54.157)

  Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:04:57.976)

  Hmm. Well, it's different. mean, it's not right or way based on so the the the it's its own thing. Yeah. Yeah.

  Lucy Baldwin (01:05:03.903)

  It's really its own thing. It's so, but I remember like the first time I ever worked with it, I had like full body goosebumps. I was like, holy shit, this is, I think that was also one of the things that made me really believe in magic was the South deck. Cause I was like, that shit is for fucking real. it just, sometimes it just signal, like it, it like shows off. It's just like what you don't believe, like watch this bitch. You know what I mean?

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:05:18.146)

  Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:05:21.88)

  Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:05:26.35)

  Here's this answer. Yeah, they can be so saucy. Totally.

  Lucy Baldwin (01:05:30.963)

  Yeah, yeah. So I'm really kind of like attached to that deck, but I want to explore other decks. And I feel like there's a lot of really cool artists making decks now that I'm like, want like a modern set like deck that's like an artist created. Like I want to support artists in their decks. And I'm also just like, I am so attached to my deck. Anyway.

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:05:38.158)

  Mm.

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:05:43.33)

  Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:05:46.871)

  Mm-hmm.

  Yeah. Yeah, I found that different decks have like different purposes for me. Like there are decks that I just work with for like one deity or like one purpose and then decks that want to work with clients, but decks that do not want to work with clients. Yeah. And I've had decks be like, you know what? You're asking too much and you're making me tired. Like fuck off. You know, like just put me aside for a while, you know.

  Lucy Baldwin (01:06:00.546)

  How interesting.

  Lucy Baldwin (01:06:05.225)

  interested.

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:06:15.662)

  So yeah, having different decks can be useful for different purposes or just like to get kind of a different perspective. I've won that like, really like Aaron Morgenstern's deck that's based on the Night Circus. I use a lot for creativity and asking questions about creative projects.

  Lucy Baldwin (01:06:15.851)

  So this.

  Lucy Baldwin (01:06:24.411)

  Yeah.

  Lucy Baldwin (01:06:36.279)

  Interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know you're inspiring me to branch out more. I think the ones I've tried were maybe too like...

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:06:39.607)

  Yeah.

  Yeah. So I find, yeah.

  Lucy Baldwin (01:06:48.383)

  iconic. There's almost like pressure around it. You know, it's like, and also I know the folks like I actually cut out all of my cards like 10 years ago. I cut out the borders. So there's it doesn't it doesn't say on the card what it is. But like I know all the cards. And when I read the other decks, I don't know what the cards are. And so I'm like, do I like look this up? And I, it's very humbling.

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:06:50.236)

  Mm.

  Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:06:59.576)

  Mm-hmm.

  Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:07:05.996)

  Mm-hmm. Right.

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:07:11.406)

  So there's a slower process of learning the imagery. Yeah, yeah, sure. Yeah, I have also been, you know, had the pleasure of taking a course with Matt Orrin who wrote Psychic Witch and Psychic Tarot and learning kind of these psychic ways of reading the tarot where you don't necessarily need to know what the book meaning is of the card, although it's good to learn that basis for the Rider Waite-themed decks.

  Lucy Baldwin (01:07:18.135)

  Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:07:37.934)

  But that you're looking at the imagery and getting the sense from the card of what that means in this particular context for this reading. And that's usually how I read. But I agree, when you get a new deck, there's a bit of a learning curve of like what the imagery of this deck is saying to you or like what, sometimes it's like the wands are, you know, branches and the pentacles are rocks. And so you have to like learn all that stuff. Yeah.

  Lucy Baldwin (01:08:02.826)

  Yeah, yeah, totally, totally. Well, I'm feeling inspired and I'm feeling excited about magic and I really enjoy talking and getting to know you. Yeah, thank you, Brittany. And how can people find you and how can people find me?

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:08:09.538)

  Yeah. I enjoyed talking to you too. Thank you so much. Yeah, this was really fun. Thank you.

  Yes. Yes. So people can find me at britneypastuhov.com. You can put it in the show notes. I also have a podcast called Third House Podcast that this will be on. And I'm on Instagram at britney.pastuhov. So you can find me in all of those places and look me up. And how can people find you?

  Lucy Baldwin (01:08:42.551)

  Yeah, so my website is lucybaldwin.me. And I also am on Instagram at lucybaldwin.author. Yeah. Speaking of things that we don't do, I have an unpublished book that I've been sitting on for like years. I wrote it years ago and determined to publish it this year. Yeah.

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:08:48.184)

  Okay.

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:08:59.884)

  Awesome.

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:09:09.026)

  Hmm. Yeah.

  I hope you do. Yeah. Sometimes you have to find the right time, you know, for the magic to enter the world. Yeah.

  Lucy Baldwin (01:09:14.923)

  Thanks. Wish me luck.

  Lucy Baldwin (01:09:19.959)

  Yeah, yeah, it hasn't been time. It just hasn't been time yet, but it is time now. So I'm forcing the issue. Actually, I'm just forcing the issue. I'm making it time. And that's what I can do. Yeah, that's what we need to do as magician. All right, we'll talk to you again, hopefully.

  Brittany Pastuhov (01:09:28.29)

  Good. Use that agency. Weave that fate. Yes. Right. Yeah. Well, lovely to speak with you. Thank you so much.

  Lucy Baldwin (01:09:40.236)

  Thank you.

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Frequently Asked Questions

What is magic?

Magic can be understood as the act of will directed toward change. It works through symbols, ritual, psyche, body, spirit, intention, and relationship with reality.

How can astrology help with vocation?

Astrology can reveal patterns, gifts, tensions, desires, and growth paths that help clarify what kind of work, contribution, or life direction feels more authentic.

How does planetary magic work with astrology?

Astrology can identify the pattern or planetary current at play. Planetary magic gives you a way to build relationship with that current and participate in transformation.

What planet should I work with for receiving?

Venus is the primary planet for receiving, pleasure, beauty, love, attraction, and embodied receptivity. Saturn may also help if receiving requires more structure or safety.

Can tarot decks have different personalities?

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